uPVC windows are no longer the novelty these days as more and more companies are coming and generating awareness about its benefits for the consumer. At WFM we have discussed at length about the product and how it co-exists and often even outperforms the conventional aluminium and wood windows. As the market is evolving and the consumer is getting more inquisitive, there has been an onslaught of national and international brands entering and serving this ever growing market. While there are various brands present, there’s one brand which we all recognise and recognise with much ado.
Kommerling India is a success story internationally that has been running over more than 100 years. Kommerling is a brand with tradition in the huge umbrella of profine Group. The company was established as a trading organisation in 1897 by Karl Kömmerling. The company started the production of PVC roller shutters in 1957, and the extrusion of window profiles and PVC sheets was started in 1967.
Although the brand is present in India since 2000, seeing the immense market potential that India has to offer, Profine India Window technology started the state of the art extrusion facility in India in 2013 in Vadodara, Gujarat. The company also manufactures UPVC window in Vadodara and supplies to various countries.
During our recent interaction with the Profine group owner & CEO Dr. Peter Mrosik and Mr. Robert Thiroff, who’s the combined Managing director for Profine in various countries of the world including India, North America, Australia, China and UK, WFMsought an insight into the history of the company, the thought process behind brand establishment in India and their approach to satisfy the tough Indian consumer.
Could you please tell us something about yourself?
Dr. Mrosik: I am an entrepreneur.I have worked in different kinds of industries. Got various chances to invest in many companies and I made some money out of that. I invested a big portion of this money in Profine as I believed in this industry. I also have a private life, am a father of four children and am pleased to have a private life as well ashaving a business of which I am a proud owner.
What is HT Troplast and how different is it from Profine?
Dr. Mrosik: Essentially there is no difference. The head company is HT Troplast and the operative group is Profine. So it is essentially the same.
What are the other group companies?
Dr. Mrosik: There are round about 75 Profine groups or companies all over the world. One of them is Profine India Window Technology Pvt. Ltd here in India and a lot of other companies in about 48 different countries.
What was it about Kuraray Arcapitagroup buying Profine? Was it a result of insolvency?
Dr. Mrosik: No. Profine was a healthy group at the time I took it over. However operatively it could have been developed in a better way. That’s the reason I personally bought. And from that point on,I got a chance to develop it to what you see today.
Profine is still owned by VC Firm orit is an individual entity?
Dr. Mrosik: During the last decade, Profine was owned by financial investors. This was changed 2 years ago. I in person, Peter Mrosik,bought the company and I own 100% shares of the profine group. That means I am personally following a long term strategy.The key difference between me and a financial investor is that a financial investor buys company in order to sell the company. And I bought the company in order to develop it for a long term base. My aim is a strategic one and a long term one.
And this is the reason you’re also the CEO of the company and are involved in day to day activities?
Dr. Mrosik: This is the reason, I want to be in the line and my ambition is to develop the business in the right way. I have investedseveral millions in different types of categories. I want to be the product innovation leader which we are even today but I want to follow a clear strategy inlaying the brand and product innovation and for that we have a plan of 10 years. We want to regionalize the business and also internationalize the business. In this line we invested heavily in India, which is a very important market of us. India is a developing and prospering country and we have a very good manager here, Mr. Farid Khan who is taking care of our Indian activities. I am quite happy to see the development here in this market.
Please elaborate about the profine brands and how do you position that in India?
Dr. Mrosik: We are heavily investing in brand building and that’s a uniform trend you’d see in case of Profine worldwide.As you might know, profine is the roof brand but the main brands are KBE, Trocal and Kommerling. They have aworldwide presence and Kommerling I would say is the most recognized brand internationally and I am more than happy to announce in the last year, Kommerling is now committing to India with its own extrusion plant.
What prompted you start a Profine extrusion in India, when China already had an extrusion?
Dr. Mrosik: It is quite easy. Making a commitment for market means you have to invest money in it. Customers are recognising it. Looking at a market from distance, shipping products from another country doesn’t work. It’s not a commitment. Commitment means, we want to employ people, we want to invest money and we want to start local production. From all what I see now, it has been the right decision. The business is picking up and we are further investing in Indian market. We today have 4 extrusion lines as of now and it’s going to rapidly increase. We are currently looking at acquiring more land and expand thereon.
I happened to meet a Chinese friend from the window industry. He mentioned – “most of the German profiles getting extruded in China, are not of same quality and there is a tangible difference in what’s being manufactured there and in Germany”
Why is it so? Are the same manufacturing standards not followed in a subsidiary?
Dr. Mrosik: We are currently about to harmonize the quality. Setting the quality standards is one of the main agendas. Don’t forget that there might be different set of requirements in certain markets might be different. I understand that the Indian market is a very high quality and brand oriented market and this is the reason why we are investing in India in our own production plant. And you would notice that the quality of the products manufactured here are best in class. You’ll notice the gloss and other things are unmatched.
What is the edge that Kommerlingas a brand has over others globally and in India? We know you market your product exceptionally; your booth here in this exhibition (fensterbaufrontale, Nurenberg, Germany) is a statement in itself. So, what drives this out of the box brand placement?
Dr. Mrosik: First of all Kommerlingis a traditional brand. But it moves on with time. It is a future oriented brand. Enlightenment with the people, customer clubs, and working with architects at their invitation, all this and a mix of different measures which we took in order to make Kommerling the world’s most recognizable brand, places us ahead of every other competitor of ours.
It is said that the majority of European companies tweak their systems to match the local Indian standards, how is it the case with you? Or do you plan maintain the same quality?
Dr. Mrosik: There is one thing as the necessity of adoption. Every market builds different. We will certainly take care of this. There is however no compromise in quality. Kommerling is known to be the highest and best in class system and we are recognized for our brand value. In no situation we are going to dilute that. We are treading keeping the brand in our heart. We know what the culture of Koemmerling is and that has to be kept alive in every respective country.
What is the secret behind this undeterred and conquer all demeanour?
Dr. Mrosik: First of all I told you about the strategy of the company, but you know it’s all about the team. And the team includes customers too. If you wouldn’t have customers who are loyal to you, who trust you then you would be nobody, nothing. And so is with the team. We have the best team and nobody can reach us. This is the team spirit that has driven us in the past two years and I am proud to be a part of this team.
Taking the discussion further we interacted with Mr. Robert Thiroff who is the Managing Director for Profine India along with leading the group in various other emerging markets viz. North America, Philippines, Vietnam, China, etc. as well.
Mr. Thiroff, please explain how you perceive Indian market for uPVC and about your role in developing this challenging market.
Mr. Thiroff: It’s a delight that we have started a production facility in India last year. India is a dynamic country which understands performance and energy efficiency. I have been in the industry for past 6 years and it’s a delight to interact with people who understand quality and opportunity in uPVC windows. I would say this is just the start and we are continuing to evaluate the market. I am very passionate about this company and this is something which is developing in a very professional and dynamic way. It was hard the way it has evolved from being a one man show to an organization with a team.
People here are looking for high performance, energy efficiency and we are glad we identified the opportunity that India has offered us. It’s a very dynamic and fast moving country. We have signed many new customers – some large and some small.We believe we need to now invest in the knowledge, convincing the architects and real estate companies – that PVC is an alternative to aluminium and timber. So it’s an investment and a long term one at that. When we came to India, although I was expecting fast paced and energetic people, but the kind of research they do, their approach which is not restricted to the local suppliers only floored me. The companies make hefty investment in machinery and they are well informed about the global trends and availabilities.
If you look at the product range, here the range is the widest. There is double glazing as well as the single glazing which seems so far the most popular choice. I see it changing very fast as the acceptance and requirement for double glazing is increasing. There is a definite similarity in the Indian and UK markets. There is a lot of demand for outward opening. I find India very architectural, very design oriented. People here are very colourful. I see a trend of replacement market coming fast to India and also that of the coloured profiles.
What is your strategy for fighting this issue of quality over price, which is the most gruelling concern as regards with Indian market?
Mr. Thiroff: Education. Education for government ministers, the press and dealing with fabricators with care is the way to go. It’s about how you deal with the people. You can sell to winners or you can sell for short term gains. Once you invest the right money, instil the right principles in the partners’ company, the road is set. I meet too many people with short term view and I can make quick money selling compromised stuff. I don’t want that. Indian market is different than others. Here you see windows on 25th floor and higher. And when I see the corroded screws with which they’re installed, the reinforcement coming out from the corners, it surprises me.People are not using the right fixing material. So, we need to go slower. We have to organise PVC awareness drives. Explain the difference between the right and wrong products.
Home is your one’s life’s biggest investment, why would you want to compromise?
At Kommerling we don’t compromise on the material, on the machinery. When you have a quality manual made for India, in Germany and you adhere to quality standards, your customers appreciate that. Price is always a driver – that’s everywhere in the world. But when you don’t compromise on price and deliver consistent quality, which is time tested, and there are various customers who are satisfied and the windows don’t fall through, you are accepted and so is your price. If you have a standard, it should be the same standard in all the markets that you are present. You can’t keep on bringing the price down and expect the same quality. And you can’t have one quality for one country and different for another. In this policy we trust and that trust stands by for India as well.
You mentioned about tall structures – India is coming up with a lot of high rises. Traditionally it’s believed that uPVC windows can’t be used beyond a certain building height. Do you have solutions for that?
Mr. Thiroff: You need to evaluate each project separately. You need to invest in good people. We have technology, designers here in Germany, who can simulate wind loads; drainage arrangements etc. and they’ve been doing so for markets like USA for Hurricanes, Canada and Russia where temperatures go below minus 50 degrees. So, all these fall within our experience zone. We are not fazed by the tall structures. If there is a tall structure you need to have the right glass, right fixing program, you need to address the safety issues in terms of installation as well as during the prolonged usage of the window. So it’s not just limited to the profile engineering alone, which by the way we are leaders in. We train our fabricators for everything and give full guarantee to the consumer.
India traditionally is a casement market, but we’re now moving to sliding, patios, corner openings etc. So what’s your plan with respect to extruding these systems in India? Do you see this shift and has there been a demand?
Every country has a different product portfolio and you correctly said India is traditionally a casement market. This will be a product which will always be produced here. But there is a market for sliding windows with fly screen so this will also be extruded here. Along with this, you’re right, there is a shift. There are beautiful apartments, villas, condominiums and bungalows which are coming up in various parts of the country. People want more light, less noise, huge open spaces and good performance. So, the demand for patios and smart lift and slides is rising. We are already selling these products in India. And as long term investment plan, we will also extrude these products here. Sometimes you know it takes 20 years to develop a footprint of a product in a country. In India, we can sell everything from a complete German range. India is open to all the product portfolios. And as the demand increases, we will invest in dies and extrude them here. Also, we are planning to have more lines in addition to four extrusion presses that we already have. So in times to come, we will extrude everything here (laughs)
We’re told that you are also exporting to Brazil from India. Is that the reason you want to expand – To cater to other emerging markets?
Mr. Thiroff: That’s an added value. The main thing is the country should able to stand on its own two feet. The reason why Brazil is buying from here is they believe the quality is very high. So that’s a bonus. But you can’t expect Brazil to keep on buying from India always because it will have a plant of its own in future. So the main focus of the Indian plant is the Indian market, Indian customers.
Finally, what is your strategy to succeed in this extra ordinary market of India?
It’s going to be a slow process for us. We want to grow organically. From a 20 Million company to a 100 million one, we want to take each step at a time. We want to have a fabricator in each state, customers in every area and impeccable service to complement the brilliant product. When I retire, I want to look back and say “see, that’s what we achieved in India”. We will take our time and develop the market. India is a great place and values the right product, we are very positive.